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Unusual Deletion of Images of Vietnamese Artists

Hello Commons community, I am Plantaest, an administrator of the Vietnamese Wikipedia community. Recently, our community has noticed something unusual regarding articles related to figures in the Vietnamese entertainment industry, specifically the continuous deletion of images.

Upon reviewing the Commons logs, I found that on September 20, an administrator named Krd deleted many images related to Vietnamese artists, all with the same reason: "No permission since 12 September 2024," according to the deletion log.

The question arises: who added the "No permission" template to these images? Since I cannot access the history of the deleted files, I am unable to determine who added them. However, I have identified a user with suspicious activity.

The user "Thich an che" is a very new account, created on September 20, but has already added the "No permission" template to files related to several Vietnamese artists such as Mỹ Tâm, Lý Hải, Chí Tài... Clearly, a new account wouldn’t easily know how to use these techniques.

Vandalism of Deleted Files

Reviewing the log of File:20181013 Nguyễn Phương Hằng at Talkshow.png, I noticed two unusual points:

  • At 4:22 on September 20 (UTC), administrator Krd deleted this file with the reason "No permission since 12 September 2024." This suggests that someone, possibly another account of "Thich an che," added the "No permission" template to this file a few days earlier. Did Krd delete the files in bulk without thoroughly checking?
  • At 6:13 on September 20 (UTC), the user "Thich an che" uploaded an image of unclear origin, mocking a Vietnamese YouTuber named Nguyễn Phương Hằng.

It is worth noting that this file was being used in the infobox of the Nguyễn Phương Hằng article, and she has been a highly searched figure recently, having been released from prison on September 19 after nearly two years in detention. I have temporarily removed this file from the article about her.

Conclusion

In my view, someone using the account "Thich an che" and possibly several other accounts has been placing the "No permission" template unjustifiably on images related to Vietnamese artists. Moreover, this person deliberately re-uploaded a deleted file to have it displayed on a heavily viewed Wikipedia page. This is clearly an intentional act of vandalism.

Therefore, I kindly request that the Commons administrators, especially Krd, assist the Vietnamese Wikipedia community with the following issues:

On behalf of the Vietnamese Wikipedia community, thank you all. Plantaest (talk) 14:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bấy bi cute tried to remove undeletion requests (see Special:Contributions/Bấy bi cute). Cherry Cotton Candy (talk) 14:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tagged File:20181013 Nguyễn Phương Hằng at Talkshow.png as copyright violation with evidence.  Băng Tỏa  14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I asked MGA73 to restore the old version of the file. It's a screenshot from a YouTube CC video from a legitimate copyright holder, so its license is compatible with Commons. The copyright of the original file was fine before the vandalism.  Băng Tỏa  16:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I blocked Bấy bi cute for a week for vandalism, and Thich an che for abusing multiple accounts, clearly a sock of Funny Man 1999. Yann (talk) 14:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yann: Thank you very much. I hope the admins will continue to support our community in restoring the deleted files, as well as creating a filter to prevent similar actions in the future. Plantaest (talk) 15:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Plantaest: Here's a dump of all of what Thich an che edited that has since been deleted. Feel free to use this as the basis for an undeletion request:

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Jmabel ! talk 15:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thats an impressive list, @Krd, Can you provide some insight as to what happened (as of when I'm writing this) 12 hours ago? All the Best -- Chuck Talk 15:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel: Thank you. If possible, I hope you can investigate accounts that are similarly disruptive, like: Special:Contributions/Nguyễn Thanh Vân dana, Special:Contributions/Nguyễn Minh Đào 1996, Special:Contributions/Vô Danh 69, Special:Contributions/Funny Man 1999. It seems this situation has been ongoing for months. This is a great loss for the Vietnamese Wikipedia community. Plantaest (talk) 16:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like these are socks of a glocked user. @Jmabel, I think a post on SRG is in order for these accounts? All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Commons:Requests for checkuser/Case/Funny Man 1999‎. Yann (talk) 20:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have proposed a filter: Commons talk:Abuse filter#Add a filter to block the addition of the "No permission" template for new accounts. I hope the admins can review it and consider using it to block accounts with similar behavior in the future. Thank you. Plantaest (talk) 16:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Filter looks good, thanks for helping us sort this out, It has been a chaotic 24 hours on commons. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jmabel ! talk 21:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Datasets about potential logos released

Hi all! As part of our current work with the logo detection tool, we have conducted an analysis over 22 days of recent file uploads (August-September 2024) and identified 1,594 images as potential logos using the developed logo detection model.

We have released two datasets: one with all identified logos - fields are image title, confidence score, URL, uploader, whether the uploader is a bot - and another one with an additional field that tells if the image is tagged as “own work” or “not own work”. Note that the latter contains 180 less files than the former, because in the meantime those files were deleted. We consider this as a positive signal, in line with the main goal of facilitating content moderation.

We thought these datasets would be of interest to you, especially in terms of patrolling recent uploads. We also wanted to point out that, according to our statistics, our experimental tool can detect ~47% more files that are not correctly categorized as logos or are not correctly pointed out as such.

We can also expand this dataset to include one more full month of data (i.e. July 2024), as well as exporting those datasets regularly on a monthly basis.

Hope this could be of help for your moderation work and more specifically identification of problematic/copyrighted logos. If you need more info, feel free to ping me. Thanks in advance! Sannita (WMF) (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sannita (WMF), can you add their deletion status and relevant info? (who tagged, who deleted, DR or CSD, etc) All the Best -- Chuck Talk 18:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alachuckthebuck I'll ask the dev who did the dataset, and will let you know if we can integrate the dataset. Now it's already weekend, so if it will be possible, it will happen early next week. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! All the Best -- Chuck Talk 18:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a way to detect how likely a logo is to be above the threshold of originality? Trade (talk) 21:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sannita (WMF) any updates? All the Best -- Chuck Talk 03:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking through the csv file earlier and it's interesting, but kind of unintuitive. @Enhancing999: Do you think it would be possible to turn the CVS file into an autogenerated page with a table or something like you did with the list of uncategorized categories? --Adamant1 (talk) 07:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Trade, I agree that the threshold of originality would be useful to distinguish potential copyright violations. The current logo detection doesn't take into account that dimension, as it's a slightly different task. Are you aware of any relevant Commons category/template/metadata that would enable the encoding of such distinction? That would be important to let a classifier learn it. Thanks! MFossati (WMF) (talk) 09:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, not really. I would be surprised if there were no AI that could determine the complexity of an image Trade (talk) 16:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Alachuckthebuck, I think that's doable, it'll take some work to generate that. Please stay tuned! MFossati (WMF) (talk) 09:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi everyone, we've just published two additional datasets:
Additional fields extracted from a file page's wikitext:
  • category - a category with at least one logo occurrence, or Template:PD-textlogo, if any
  • deletion_request - a template indicating regular/speedy deletion requests, if any. For instance, a delete value maps to Template:Delete. Values for speedy deletions are as in [1]
MFossati (WMF) (talk) 17:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MFossati (WMF) Thanks so much for doing this, But according to the csv, not a single image on there was tagged with a speedy template. and about 25 were in a DR. Is that correct? For the images that did get deleted, would it be possible to get the tagging user and the deleting admin? All the Best -- Chuck Talk 01:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alachuckthebuck: sure! Here are all counts:
Re: deletion requests - yes, looks like all of them contain Template:Delete, so no speedy ones apparently.
Re: deleted images - sure thing, I'll post here when done. MFossati (WMF) (talk) 10:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alachuckthebuck: here you are: https://analytics.wikimedia.org/published/datasets/one-off/gogologo/22_days_of_gogologo_deleted.csv.
Fields are:
  • url - the deleted page URL
  • deleters - users who deleted the page
  • reasons - reasons why the page was deleted
  • links - wikilinks found in the deleted page
  • taggers - users who tagged the page for deletion. Note that they're only available for regular deletion requests, i.e., those with a dedicated page
Deleted pages of [2] are just 4, so let me post them below:
Hope this helps! MFossati (WMF) (talk) 15:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! One final request, Can you add the confidence score of gogologo to that CSV? All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alachuckthebuck: I've merged [3] into [4], which has now the following fields:
url, confidence_score, uploader, is_bot, deleters, taggers, reasons, links
Please note that the distribution of confidence scores might change in the future, as we refine the underlying model (e.g., by adding threshold of originality features). MFossati (WMF) (talk) 13:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again User:Adamant1 made a lot of Speedy deletions I do not agree with, please do not delete them

Again User:Adamant1 put a deletion request in a lot of gallery pages which are fine (two or more images). Now he even emptied them and put a speedy deletion request in them. For me that is vandalism. Please do not delete these gallery pages. They should all be reverted to the versions before the vandalism.

It is at least about:

JopkeB (talk) 15:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It turns out that hundreds of them have already been deleted, but they are no longer in his list with contributions, only in my inbox of my mailbox. And I cannot tell whether he also made deletion requests for gallery pages that I did not have on my watchlist. Very sad. JopkeB (talk) 16:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: 99% of them only had one image. Otherwise they only had a couple with zero chance of expansion or anything that made them worth keeping. Again though, most of them only had a single image. Although it's not like that's the only criteria for speedy deletion. There's several others that you seem to be ignoring for whatever reason and I really don't appreciate your spurious accusation that anything here is vandalism or that you are trying to get admins to revert things based on your clearly false personal opinion that I wasn't basing the speedy deletions on the guidelines. Just because you aren't privy to why the galleries where deleted or what my motivations where at the time doesn't mean it's vandalism. So I'd appreciate it if you dropped the stick instead of trying to use admins to get your way about something that clearly isn't an issue.
Just to give one example of what I'm talking about, the gallery for "Rosa 'Editor Stewart'" only contained two images and essentially recreates the category without adding anything or there being a way to expand it. It's totally valid to nominate a gallery for deletion that purely recreates the category and has not chance of being expanded. Again, your free to disagree with that, but calling it vandalism is just hyperbolic nonsense. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The vandalism is that you emptied the gallery pages, so that the administrator cannot see anymore whether it is jusitified to use the speedy deletion. And GA1 is only for gallery pages with zero or one image, not for two. And I doubt that only 1% of the deleted pages had more than 1 image, you can see on the removed kb's that in the row above there were at least two pages had more (four and five). And I do not know any other reason to use GA1 than having no or one image. For other reasons you still need to make a proper deletion request. JopkeB (talk) 17:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: An admin can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's just how it works with speedy deletion requests. I've been doing it that way for years with out issue, seen plenty of other people do it that way, and Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion doesn't say either way. So I don't see how its vandalism. I think admins use a special tool to speedy delete pages anyway. Meaning they don't check them for content to begin with.
As to the rest of your comment, the guideline says "Mainspace pages (galleries) that are empty or contain no useful content" qualify for speedy deletion. I'll meet you half way and say that the phrase "contains no useful content" is a little ambiguous, but nowhere does it say it's "only for gallery pages with zero or one image" like your claiming. Regardless, it's at least my belief that a gallery isn't useful if it purely duplicates the category because it only contains a couple of images and can't be expanded. Your free to disagree with that, but I reject the idea that me nominated said galleries for deletion is or was vandalism. The one extra image doesn't actually change the equation that much when it comes to if a gallery is useful or not. Really, this whole just comes off like bad faithed Wikilaywer. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: --Adamant1 (talk) 05:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please place the speedy deletion template above the page content and do not remove the page content. If the content is removed we have to look at the versions from the history. This step would not be necessary in many cases if the template is just placed on top of the content. GPSLeo (talk) 05:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GPSLeo: I'm fine with doing it that way if blanking the page is an issue. It's just how I've seen other people do it.
@Adamant1: {{Speedydelete}} says Placement: At the top of the page which to me implies going above the existing content, not replacing it. Maybe this ought to be clarified to "At the top of the page, above the existing content." Consigned (talk) 10:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Consigned: Fair enough. It probably should be clarified if it's obligatory since I've been doing it that way for years now, seen other people do it the same way, and this is the first time I've seen anyone say anything about it. So it really doesn't seem to be a requirement or anything that anyone cares about. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB anytime the word "again" pops up on AN, its not good. IDONTLIKEIT Definitely applies here, and considering the current mood on commons, not exactly the best time or place to be making another post about a user when the first one hasn't even been archived yet. requests for undeletion is the appropriate venue for JopkeB.
At this point, I'm thinking 1 (or 2) way I-Ban.
All the Best -- Chuck Talk 05:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's necessary at this point since me and JopkeB get alone fine outside of this. I would like to see her drop the stick about it though. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone posted their email address several times on this page; is this something that can be overwritten via history (oversight perhaps) so this email address is not in the history? User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 09:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done. I simply deleted the talkpage, so it is not viewable for others. And I blocked the IP for 3 days. Currently nothing more should be done. Taivo (talk) 10:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

undeletion request

please undelete Category:Sima Sabet. Hanooz 18:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done although you can recreate categories yourself. Abzeronow (talk) 18:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old account, please put the old account template

I had an old account (User:Copperwidth) that I owned, and I was trying to put the Old account template, (Template:Alternative user) but the Abuse filter suggested that I would log in to my old account. I had forgotten the password for that account since 2 years. I was trying to prove that the account wasn't used for sockpuppetry. Your help would be grateful.

StillOrange

(talk) 01:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StillOrange: Please fix your signature. It shouldn't be on several lines. Thanks, Yann (talk) 10:39, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done. @StillOrange: I made the edit. But, as Yann said, your signature should not be on several lines. Taivo (talk) 09:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Admin actions needed for POTY

A few admin actions are needed for the contest, which is starting soon:

page_namespace == 4 &
page_title irlike "Picture of the Year\/\d{4}\/R[12]\/votes\/.+" &
global_user_editcount < 75 &
!("autopatrolled" in user_rights)

cc @AntiCompositeNumber:

Thanks, Ingenuity (talk) 17:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done for the AbuseFilter. Yann (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ingenuity, created the tag as well. Regards, Aafi (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what for MediaWiki:Tag-poty-script-description? Regards, Aafi (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aafi: could you create that with Edits made using the [[MediaWiki:POTY-gallery.js|Picture of the Year helper script]] ? Thanks! Ingenuity (talk) 17:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done. Regards, Aafi (talk) 18:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense depict statements

Hello, I stumbled on this one that added nonsense depict statements on random images. The few older edits seem nonsense too. Syrio posso aiutare? 00:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special:AbuseFilter/286 may be adapted to test for those.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 02:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14.236.170.225

14.236.170.225 (talk · contribs) is adding {{No permission since}} to pages for files that are obviously under a free license. Given that 14.236.170.225 seems to be specifically targeting certain users and reverting their edits, I believe 14.236.170.225 may be acting in bad faith. Ixfd64 (talk) 05:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done. 2 weeks block, all reverted. Taivo (talk) 10:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File overwriting by User:Alanruiz45

Alanruiz45 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) User is overwriting own uploads with Copyvios from the internet. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alachuckthebuck I don't see the issue. The user made 2 contributions after a long absence - neither of which appear to be copyvio. What am I missing? Gbawden (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]